Re: [TANGO-L] Tango Nuevo and Argentine Tango. What is the difference?

[Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k @HOTMAIL.COM>]

Christopher, your point in comparing Petroleo to Gustavo Naviera and Fabian
Salas is very much valid.

Just like Petroleo reinvented steps in response to new rhythm of tango music
of the 40s (according to the article
http://www.planet-tango.com/elfiru/petroleo.htm), Nuevo Tango looks natural
to less rhythmic music, which traditional dancers consider to be music for
listening - because it does not feel right for dancing in the traditional
style - they feel uncomfortable changing the rhythm of their steps, I guess.

Personally I enjoy dancing in close embrace to less rhythmic music be it
Milonga del angel or Nina Simone as much as to tangos with more obvious
rhythm and do not see any need to dance Nuevo to this music. The dance looks
and feels much calmer/different from the one I dance to traditional tangos.

Of course there is no need to adjust traditional style to rhythmic alt
tangos (Tango in Harlem, Paolo Conte).

Nuevo Tango to D'Arienzo? I think not.


Cheers, Oleh K.
http://TangoSpring.com


> From: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett   @CEVERETT.COM>
> Reply-To: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett   @CEVERETT.COM>
> To: TANGO-L   @MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tango Nuevo and Argentine Tango. What is the
> difference?
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:10:01 -0600
>
> Oleh Kovalchuke wrote:
>
> > From an interesting article comparing Argentine tango and Nuevo tango by
> > Igor Polk in San Francisco:
> >
> > In my point of view these are very different. First of all Tango Nuevo is
> > created by Gustavo Naviera and Fabian Salas. They openly proclaim their
> > authorship. The story is there, you can find it on Internet.
>
> I wonder what traditionalists who learned tango in the 20's and
> 30's had to say about a guy like Petroleo, who invented boleos,
> giros, arastres and piques.
>
> > I like Tango
> > Nuevo. I learn and dance it. It is fun and good exercise. But I do not
> > like
> > when Tango Nuevo is called Argentine Tango. It is not. Something is
> > missed
> > in this extract called Tango Nuevo. For now I just say that the
> > difference
> > between Tango Nuevo and Argentine Tango is the same like the difference
> > between frozen microwave food and mom's dinner. Like between Sprite and
> > Champaign. Like between root beer and Beck's.
>
> De gustibus non dispudandum.
>
> Although if he can have mom's dinner, Beck's and Champagne but
> pursues frozen microwave food, sprite and root beer, perhaps we
> should add a side dish of "He doth protest too much" to the menu.
>
> > Nobody can say that Tchaikovsky ballet dances are real russian or persian
> > dances, right?
>
> Nobody would even think it.  But the comparison does not hold true.
> After all, ballet did not evolve from Russian or Persian (or even
> French) folk dance, but Nuevo Tango most surely did evolve from
> Salon Tango.
>
> > But somehow people think that show tango is what the real tango is.
>
> "Nuevo Tango" the same as "Show Tango"?  I think not.  He makes a
> logical fallacy there.  Before Fabian Salas and Gustavo Naveira
> began developing Nuevo, thye were both accomplished in the Salon
> style of tango.
>
> > Read on at: http://www.virtuar.com/tango/tango_weblog.htm#tangonuevo
>
> Compare and contrast what he has to say with this article on Petroleo,
> a tango innovator of the 40's:
>
> http://www.planet-tango.com/elfiru/petroleo.htm
>
> <snip to end>
>
> To me, Igor disregards the difference between models (or ways of
> examining) of Tango and theories of Tango.  While a Grand Unified
> Theory of Tango which can describe every possibility good-to-great
> Tango dancers can generate has yet to manifest, the Nuevo model of
> Tango as a turning dance has neither less nor more validity than
> the older model of tango as a walking dance.
>
> No astronomer would would say that optical telescopes more accurately
> describe the universe than a radio telescope.  They simply examine
> different aspects of the same thing.
>
> --
> Christopher L. Everett
>
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